Have we missed our chance on adoption?

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In a year that hopefully sill see a Civil Union bill passed in Ireland, Suzy highlights the new adoption Adoption Bill which EXCLUDES Same Sex Couples! Has the Gay community been so obsessed with the issue of Gay Marriage/Civil Unions that we have left this one fly under our noses?

The legislation will limit Adoption to Married Couples and Single Applicants of “good moral character”. I wonder will a gay person be able to adopt as a single person?

This legislation does not mention Civil Partnerships and the current draft of the Civil Partnership bill does not mention amending this legislation.

This is another fight on our hands so I think it is time that Ireland took the leap and got in line with Denmark, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, England and Wales, who all allow gay adoption!

Time to get contacting TD’s and Senators as this was passed to second stage in the Seanad lase week!

Please do contact your public representatives and let me know their response! I shall be doing the same. Let us not lose the fight over this due to focusing on Gay Civil unions!

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Found this via the Irish Times Head2Head yesterday

Tis a lovely song and here are the lyrics for anyone interested:

Wij wonen in een rijtjeshuis
We hebben mooie spullen thuis
We leven heel normaal daar met z’n drietjes bij elkaar
Bas die werkt bij de krant
En Diederik is laborant
Ik ben door hen geadopteerd als baby van een jaar

Nog altijd ben ik enig kind
Maar niet dat ik dat erg vind
Zo krijg ik alle aandacht, alle liefde van die twee
Bas brengt mij altijd naar school
Met Diederik speel ik viool
En met z’n drietjes kijken we de soaps op de TV

Ik heb twee vaders
Twee echte vaders
Soms stoer en ook wel streng
Maar we hebben het heel fijn
Ik heb twee vaders
Twee echte vaders
Die als het moet ook allebei
Mijn moeder kunnen zijn

Wanneer ik naar mijn bed toe ga
Kijkt Diederik mijn huiswerk na
En Bas doet de vaat of hij strijkt de schone was
En als ik ziek of koortsig ben
Dan is er niemand die ik ken
Die zo lief voor mij zal zijn als Diederik of Bas

Hij heeft twee vaders
Twee echte vaders
Soms stoer en ook wel streng
Maar we hebben het heel fijn
Hij heeft twee vaders
Twee echte vaders
Die als het moet ook allebei
Mijn moeder kunnen zijn

Soms wordt ik wel gepest op school
Natuurlijk is dat naar
Jouw ouders zijn homo!
Dat vinden ze maar raar
Dan haal ik maar mijn schouders op
Nou en! Ik ben hun zoon!
’t Is niet zoals bij anderen
Maar voor mij is ’t heel gewoon

Response to Crticisim – Update on Head to Head

Well I had a look over at the Irish times head to head, and I noticed someone and taken issue, with my post.

This guy Stephen said

Read comments with interest. I come down on balance with the No, because the arguments for gay/lesbian adoption amount in my view to a campaign for parental rights over (but of course not necesarily in contradiction with) child welfare. But open to be persuaded. One question I would like to put is to those who say “sexual orientation should never be an issue”. I am not saying this should be the only issue, but surely it is an issue, just as race is an issue in adoption. Adoption agencies usually prefer to place children with parents of the same race if possible, but of course do not stick dogmatically to this, there being many considerations. Why are you so sure it should not be an issue? Is there a “because….” or is it a necessary dogma of the position, just as the religious right would say “the bible says…”?
Mr. Spillane is wrong I beleive to think he can adopt as a single man (gay or straight). As far as I understand it, you simply won’t be able to adopt here as a single person, male or female. Am I wrong?


again, emily spillane conjoins two unconnected points. “There are many bad straight parents”+ “gay/lesbian people should be able to adopt”. The former does not support the conclusion.
There have to be better arguments that these? At least Kieran Healy addresses the issue, claiming that homosexual couples can provide [a safe and supportive atmosphere] as well as any other couple and better than a care home.” I have to wonder though, in the case where two equally happy caring couples, one straight and one homosexual, were seeking to adopt a child, who should the child go to? Would it not be true to say that placing the child with the straight couple would make for a more normal childhood, and thus be in the better interests of the child?

My Response

Stephen, Yes at the moment a single gay man i can adopt, there is nothing in legislation to stop this. If an Bord Uachtála think I would make a good parent in my current circumstances I can adopt and/or foster. Anyway, I can have a child if I wish, just cause I’m gay does not mean I am infertile. I know of many gay men who are fathers, and are brilliant father who shower love and attention on their children. Is that so wrong?

There is no data to support the claim that children raised by married gay parents fare worse than those raised by heterosexual ones,…. That’s why almost every serious child welfare entity, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Child Welfare League of America and the American Psychological Association, recognizes that gay parents are no worse than heterosexual ones. (Source The Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/10/AR2006031002031.html)

You also claim that placing the child in a straight relationship, in resposne to Emily Spillane’s post, would have a more normal childhood, but I ask you what is a normal childhood, I do not think for one moment I had a normal childhood, I had a fantastic childhood, with parents who showered me with love and attention, and I believe had I been brought by a homosexual couple, I would have had the same!

A major part of this which you seam to be ignoring is the problem of Gay/Lesbian parents face, what if something happens to one of them, one of them is in the eyes of the law, a starnger to the child. This cannot be good for a relationship as it puts a strain on it and proves that Gay/Lesbian parents have to put alot of thought into having a child, that most straight couples wouldn’t have to.

The poll so far has yes at 86% and no’s at 14%.

Head2Head on Gay Adoption

i just got an email about this, the Irish Times has a head to head on Gay Adoption on their website today. Head over and voice your opinion! I’ll post up my comment once it appears

Catherine Egan-Morley argues yes, she lives in Co Cork and is executive director of the independent social policy consultancy agency Clarity: Research, Development and Training.

Tom O’Gorman argues no, he is a researcher at the Iona Institute.

I was torn on this issue till lately, so wait for my comment!

**UPDATE** My comment!

As a young gay man, I look forward to a time, when my circumstances allow me to settle down and raise children. I don’t see the difference between me and my sister. She can adopt as a straight women, and I can adopt leagally in Ireland as a single gay man, but if I’m in a relationship I’m not allowed. This is a very starnge analomy in Irish law. This needs to be earsed and all people regardless of sexuality, if they are capable of giving a child a loving home, as that what is important should be allowed to adopt, single, gay, straight, bisexual, whatever!

My mothers comment!! I love my mum!!!

There are many ‘straight’ people who do not make good parents. Everyone should be elegible to adopt a child – sexual orientation should not come into the equation.